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New owner of 2013 police interceptor, questions...

Post by rednekotaku » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:45 pm

Hello, recently i picked up a 2013 ecoboost police interceptor. The car is not building any boost and I am unsure why. So far I have checked codes and there are none active (not even an underboost code), I've opened up the charge piping near the top of the engine to check for oil leaks, checked the wastegates from the top and have not found anything. I was wondering if anyone might have a suggestion before I start taking everything apart to get to the turbos. Thanks.


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Post by Timeisaflatcircle » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:20 pm

Congrats, I can't answer your question, but I'm looking for the same. Please keep us informed on your progress. Looking forward to hearing more about your experiences.
btw, how did you buy? at auction or retail? was there any accidents or damage? overall how is it?
take care and thank you!

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Post by TerryY » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:12 pm

How are you measuring boost?
My 2013 measures 11/12 max on Torque but seems to very seldom be on boost unless pushing hard into the higher rpms.

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Post by rednekotaku » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:40 pm

Timeisaflatcircle wrote:Congrats, I can't answer your question, but I'm looking for the same. Please keep us informed on your progress. Looking forward to hearing more about your experiences.
btw, how did you buy? at auction or retail? was there any accidents or damage? overall how is it?
take care and thank you!
I bought it off Craigslist after eyeing it for 6 months and kept watching the seller drop the price until I finally bit. I don't know if there was any accidents the body has quite a few minor dings and some scratches that need to be buffed but overall I was impressed by how clean it was.

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Post by rednekotaku » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:48 pm

TerryY wrote:How are you measuring boost?
My 2013 measures 11/12 max on Torque but seems to very seldom be on boost unless pushing hard into the higher rpms.
Well originally I was going off of the butt dyno and thought it was slow when I test drove it, but there was no lights or codes going off besides the airbag light (which only turned out to be the passenger seat being unplugged). Anyhow I went ahead and purchased it thinking it was something minor and bought a boost gauge and installed it to make sure that I was indeed getting boost. As it turned out the gauge doesn't move no matter how hard I press the throttle. The only other odd thing i found when i was tinkering with the car was a device plugged into the OBD port that said "fuelmaster" and it ran to a box that looked like a data logger. I removed that system and am not getting better results.

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Post by Timeisaflatcircle » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:10 pm

rednekotaku wrote:I bought it off Craigslist after eyeing it for 6 months and kept watching the seller drop the price until I finally bit. I don't know if there was any accidents the body has quite a few minor dings and some scratches that need to be buffed but overall I was impressed by how clean it was.
Nice! looking forward to the pics!

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Post by rednekotaku » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:03 pm

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Post by rednekotaku » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:46 pm

An update since it has been a while. Alright so, it turned out that the rear turbo was locked up, so I went to a local junkyard and picked up a used one. Car ran amazing for about 2 weeks then I stopped getting boost again. And performed an autopsy on the old turbo to determine the root cause. Turns out there was chunks of metal in that turbo. Pulled the newer one out, same thing. Next thing to check was the exhaust manifold. For whatever reason the exhaust manifold on tjis car was not cast, but some cheap metal that was falling apart. I found a proper cast manifold and bought another turbo just to be completely safe. Everytjing has run great since. Im wondering if anyone knows what the deal is with this disasterous build quality on the manifold. There is a part number stamped onto it ,but googling it turns up nothing. Will attach pictures so that you can see what im talking about.

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Post by ricerockets » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:06 pm

That's odd! It's definitely not a manifold from a non-turbo, because those have the catalytic converter attached to it.

I found this one on ebay from a flex that doesn't look cast like your new one... is it possible that some are made of regular steel and rust out... I don't know...

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/PASSENGER-RIGHT- ... wX&vxp=mtr

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Post by m98cox » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:44 am

Seems this thread is getting some links from other sites now that NHTSA has announced investigations into the PI Explorer having manifold cracks leading to this on going carbon monoxide issue.

Have others seen or had this same issue?

I know the transverse version of this engine has stamped metal manifold from the factory and the inline version, in the F150, has the cast version.
Maybe this is the issue and is more commonly cropping up on the heavily driven and used PI versions...
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Post by kyledooley » Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:48 am

This is an interesting thread in general and brings up some questions...
- It seems like they are using a double-walled/welded manifold in the transverse applications; probably because of heat.
- If you look at the pictures above, it seems like the manifold headers are separating from the flange, in which case, it's only a matter of time for some metal to melt/break off and blow the center section out of the downstream turbo.
- It would be interesting to see how "tightly sealed" the exterior wall is. If it's not, it would be likely that if a header tube has some separation from the flange and is leaking some exhaust, then some of it would likely be getting out past the exterior wall also.
- If an engine is idling and the vehicle is stationary, it's likely that some of the exhaust gas is accumulating and causing the problems.
- It's interesting this seems to be a problem on the Utility only and not the sedan at all, but the placement of the engine and drivetrain within the body components are obviously different and the manifold part numbers are different, suggesting there is a significant difference.
- I have not seen anyone swapping the manifolds for the cast truck ones until now, but if they are physically interchangeable, that would be the way I'd go (with caution to nearby components for heat). Cast iron is going to give you the least amount of trouble.
- I'm sure they're using cast iron on the trucks because the anticipated load factor is higher, with higher boost pressures for longer and more heat.
- From the word of an experienced Ford tech, who works on a lot of interceptors (Sedan and Utility) the transverse ecoboost motors are much more prone to failing turbos than the longitudinally mounted truck engines. He says it's because the turbos are tucked under with little airflow, while the F-150s have lots of room around them and better airflow.

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