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Post by mkaresh » Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:10 pm

Thanks for helping out.

Around the beginning of each month you'll receive an email with links to the appropriate forms. An approximate odometer reading is required the first month, then at the end of every quarter after that. The second survey is for repair visits if and when they occur. It's filled out the month after the visit.
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Post by mkaresh » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:34 am

Just an update on panel counts, Five Hundred and Freestyle:
2005 -- 60
2006 -- 21

I could especially use more of the 2006s.

Data is still too thin to report solid results. But early indication is that the 2005 Five Hundred and Freestyle require a trip to the shop for a repair a bit less than once per year, which is about the average I'm seeing for all vehicles. A Honda Odyssey is just slightly better, for example.

If the sample were larger, I'd look at the Five Hundred and Freestyle separately.
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Post by Dutch » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:47 am

johnclineii wrote:That's LX, not XL...though the latter might be more appropriate! :)
I'm going to comment on this statement solely because I only recently found out that a Chrysler 300 is four inches shorter but 100 pounds heavier than a Ford 500.
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Post by mkaresh » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:19 pm

Current count is 64 2005s and 27 2006s. Still especially need more 2006s, and 2007s now that they're out.

The 2005 continues to have a repair trip rate around 1.0, which is good for a domestic but worse than nearly every Asian model.

With the 2006s, on the other hand, no one has reported even a single trip yet. Probably the small sample, but even so the 2006 appears to be considerably more reliable than the 2005.

I've also recently added fuel economy info to my site. The Five Hundred does surprisingly well.

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Post by mkaresh » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:12 pm

Prelinimary results are in, and I'm still seeing surprisingly low repair rates for the 2006. Fewer than one in five cars can be expected to require a repair trip if the current rates continue as more responses come in.

If you're one of the people signed up to participate, but you haven't completed a survey this month, please do. If you haven't been receiving the emails, please contact me:

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Post by sleeper357 » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:34 pm

mkaresh wrote:Prelinimary results are in, and I'm still seeing surprisingly low repair rates for the 2006. Fewer than one in five cars can be expected to require a repair trip if the current rates continue as more responses come in.

If you're one of the people signed up to participate, but you haven't completed a survey this month, please do. If you haven't been receiving the emails, please contact me:

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Thank you for the update mkaresh :)

I am glad to see the data showing that ford reached a acceptable level of satisfaction and reliability for the size/price segment the 500/montego
was produced for. To bad the marketing department dropped the ball.

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Post by JJ » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:02 am

mkaresh wrote:Prelinimary results are in, and I'm still seeing surprisingly low repair rates for the 2006. Fewer than one in five cars can be expected to require a repair trip if the current rates continue as more responses come in.

If you're one of the people signed up to participate, but you haven't completed a survey this month, please do. If you haven't been receiving the emails, please contact me:

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That is because many people have not reported them to you.
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Post by mkaresh » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:32 am

JJ wrote:
mkaresh wrote:Prelinimary results are in, and I'm still seeing surprisingly low repair rates for the 2006. Fewer than one in five cars can be expected to require a repair trip if the current rates continue as more responses come in.

If you're one of the people signed up to participate, but you haven't completed a survey this month, please do. If you haven't been receiving the emails, please contact me:

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That is because many people have not reported them to you.
So the 2005 owners report their problems, but the 2006 owners do not? Why would this be?
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Post by stodge » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:44 am

I haven't reported my 2005 problems.
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Post by mkaresh » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:06 am

Are you on TrueDelta's panel?
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Post by stodge » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:04 pm

mkaresh wrote:Are you on TrueDelta's panel?
I don't know what the Panel is, so I guess not. :D
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Post by mkaresh » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:39 pm

Well, that may be why you haven't reported your car's problems.

You can read about how the research works here:

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One note: to minimize bias, people only report problems that occur after they sign up, with the exception of the month they sign up. A separate, totally voluntary survey collects repair histories from those who want to provide them.
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Post by JJ » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:47 pm

stodge wrote:I haven't reported my 2005 problems.
I haven't reported mine either. Why should I join?
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Post by johnclineii » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:20 am

And I haven't had any to report, but I see no reason to join either, nor have I. I discussed the reasons why I didn't when this was first posted here. Nothing has changed since then to change my mind. It's all up to the people involved. As for me, I have better things to do, like posting here! :)

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Post by PMCErnie » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:04 am

johnclineii wrote:And I haven't had any to report, but I see no reason to join either, nor have I. I discussed the reasons why I didn't when this was first posted here. Nothing has changed since then to change my mind. It's all up to the people involved. As for me, I have better things to do, like posting here! :)
...and in a nutshell those reasons were?
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Post by johnclineii » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:02 pm

I did not believe a sample size of significant numbers would be gained, nor that it was a scientifically selected sample. Plus, even if I do post with my name here, I do value my privacy. Ford has my repair data. That's quite sufficient for me.

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Post by Dutch » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:48 pm

The American auto industry has been damned to also-ran status in the minds of many Americans because of the insanely flawed, inaccurate reliability information provided by Consumer Reports. The whole idea here is to get better data than Consumer Reports, and see if American cars are better than Consumer Reports says.
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I did not believe a sample size of significant numbers would be gained, nor that it was a scientifically selected sample. Plus, even if I do post with my name here, I do value my privacy. Ford has my repair data. That's quite sufficient for me.

Privacy?????? As soon as we bought our Ford the mailbox and computer were overrun with automotive related junk. Ford could hardly wait to sell one more name and address to anyone willing to buy.

It is surprising anyone believes Ford is looking out for the consumer and will take any corrective action based on an FMC study of any model's repair record. Have we already forgotten Pinto gas tanks and F 150 cruise control switches? If FMC gave a damn about the consumers something, other than band aids, would have been done to improve the rear brakes on the 500s. Writing TSBs is only done as a CYA measure and Ford knows most dealers will never take any action and most owners will never become aware of the TSB.

Some private research may be flawed but at least the results are generally available for public scrutiny. Research conducted by FMC is never available for review. So far only the threat of massive lawsuits has stimulated FMC to release data and correct problems.

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Post by stodge » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:46 am

This site has been a god-send for TSB info. Without it I'd be another ignorant sucker.
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Post by mkaresh » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:07 am

johnclineii wrote:I did not believe a sample size of significant numbers would be gained, nor that it was a scientifically selected sample. Plus, even if I do post with my name here, I do value my privacy. Ford has my repair data. That's quite sufficient for me.
I have the notification turned on, but received no notice, so my apologies for the delayed response.

"Insufficient sample size" is the worst reason not to participate. If every one who gave that excuse actually participated, the sample size would be sufficient.

As is, in the latest results, out in a week or two, I have responses from 46 2005 Five Hundred and Freestyle owners. Which from where I sit isn't bad, considering I'm just getting started. For the 2006 large Chryslers, I have over 60 responses.

Overall, sample size is a short-term problem, and the more people help out the shorter this term will be.
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